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Tensions between band and label at this point were at an all-time high, and we were out of ideas. John wanted an astronomical amount of money to let us go, but if we stayed we were doomed. Keith our manager got in contact with Epitaph Records, who were interested in buying out the remainder of our contract. That pretty much bailed us out of our situation. There was a clause in the contract that stated we could not pursue legal action in search of any money owed by Eulogy, royalties or otherwise, or something to that effect.
John knew how badly we wanted off his label and he knew that we were going to do whatever it took, so he decided to make sure things were all covered on his end.
Nowadays this is the most aggravating part for me because it would've felt great to audit him, but in the end the band's future was more important than getting paid what we were owed. We were very worried about a loss of momentum. Three years is a long time between records, especially when your band is at its peak.
We kept getting so many good tour offers that it was tough to start turning them down in order to book studio time. Another factor was that Jordan, the driving force behind all the band's songwriting, wasn't really able to write on the road.
We'd been on tour 10 months per year since Mutiny! This also hindered the writing process. That being said, it didn't seem to matter once the record was done. It did better than Mutiny! The songs were more well written now that we'd developed our sound. At the time of the album's release, our fanbase was split half and half between our diehard hardcore kid fanbase, and the new crowd of "Warped Tour" fans we'd acquired through touring outside of the hardcore music realm and delving into the more mainstream world of pop-punk.
I remember seeing a poll on AbsolutePunk asking which album was your favorite, and it was split down the middle. The frustrating thing for the band was that even though we went over on our studio time, the whole recording process felt rushed because most of the album was written in the studio and we couldn't help but wonder how much bigger the record would've been had we gone into the studio prepared, or released it a year earlier.
Naturally, we wrote a couple songs about our entire experience with John and Eulogy, and titled the tracks "The Fallen There were some very heavy circumstances around why that album didn't succeed, which I am not going to get into.
All I will say is that we knew going into the studio that it wasn't going to be up to par, and we knew that a lot of that was out of our control. Once again we booked extra time in the studio and when even that ran out, we had to finish tracking vocals in LA with Mike Green and Kyle Black.
We worked harder on BABE than anything else we had probably ever done in our lives, and almost gave up many many times along the way. What successes we did have following the album's release came as a pleasant surprise. I don't like calling it a "failure" because it wasn't, but it wasn't our best work, and we knew that we weren't reaching our potential as songwriters or as a band.
We knew that everything from then on would be an uphill battle for the band but we all loved doing the band so much that we did it anyway. And we wrote a lot of the lyrics with all of this in mind. Are we extremely proud of BABE? Did our fans deserve better? Also yes. It's a very complicated situation, and one that is impossible to explain fully without throwing certain people "under the bus" so to speak, which I am not willing to do. When I think back on it now it still brings up a lot of frustrations for me, but I understand the reasons why and I no longer harbor any ill will toward anyone for it, nor do I regret any of my experiences with Set Your Goals.
We exceeded so many of our dreams, got flown out to play places we never thought we'd get to visit in our lives, and played with some of our favorite bands who we never thought we'd even get to see live. Yes there were some missteps along the way, but I am only one person and part of growing up is learning to let go of a lot of things.
For me, it's been about letting go of many of the factors behind SYG not getting as big as people felt we "should have been," and understanding that they were beyond my control, and sometimes even the entire band's.
I could say that just enjoying the ride and not treating it like a business would have been the biggest mistake, but it's also what kept it fun and made it not feel like a "job" most of the time, so it's not a mistake I regret making.
Would we have been a much bigger band had we behaved as a corporation set on profit above experience? Would we have enjoyed it as much?
Probably not. If you look at it that way, then the biggest mistake was involving some of the people we did from the get go. But who knows? Had certain people not been involved, would we have been driven to succeed as far as we did? It's hard to say. Some of the most destructive forces to this band were also the most creative. Things were left in a very uncertain state at the end of We'd recorded two songs with Chad Gilbert, which were held in much higher regard than BABE by critics across the board.
We had planned on recording a full-length with him as well, although differences between Jordan and Mike had made further writing impossible for the time being as we had just parted ways with Mike. We had just played one of Mikey's last shows when Jordan snapped his Achilles' tendon. We'd planned on slowing down our touring once the album was done and we had finished the tour cycle, but didn't quite make it that far.
Jordan's injury launched "Operation: Adult Life" into fast forward. Jordan had surgery and went back to school, everyone got real jobs, Dan got married, Junior had a kid, etc. From there, everyone started playing in other bands and moving away.
Last time I talked to everyone about the band we all seemed receptive to the idea of playing shows again when it makes sense. Our band has always sort of flown by the seat of our pants, so it's hard to say this far in advance, but we've all agreed it's best to leave the door open. Was a never a fan of these guys, but it's disappointing that people just want to rip bands off so they can earn an extra buck.
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